My First Real Estate Investment, Part 1

This is the first of a 2 part series where I detail how I first got started in real estate investing.

I’ve talked a lot on this blog about my interest in real estate investing. Recently, I talked about the process I was going through in Choosing My Next Real Estate Investment. I thought it might be informative if I could provide some background on how I first got into the “game” of real estate investing.

The Birth of an Idea

One of the main things I really enjoy about being a commercial banker in my day job is getting to see all the ways that people are able to make money. I come in contact with business owners who have built manufacturing companies that are so complex, it can takes months or years to understand the business. I deal with owners of oil and gas companies that are also working in businesses that are very complex (or at least it seems that way to me). But from the very beginning of my career, every time I met a customer or prospect who made their living (or maybe just extra income) by investing in real estate, either residential or commercial, it always just “clicked” with me. I found it very easy to understand the business. You buy the property, you get it into rentable condition, you locate a proper tenant, and you start making money.

I’ve always had a desire to have ventures going on the side that would help me build wealth. So, after coming across several people who were able to make money in real estate (a business model I understood), I decided to try and get myself into the real estate business.

Finding My Entry Point

Once I decided that I wanted to try and invest in real estate, there were still plenty of challenges standing in my way. As a commercial banker, the investors I deal with on a day to day basis are primarily seasoned investors who have been in the business for quite a while. They might own $2MM to $5MM income producing office buildings, or perhaps a large apartment complex. So while even though real estate as a concept seemed to make a great deal of sense to me, I was still having a hard time conceptualizing an entry point that fit my level of experience and available capital to invest.

One day I got lucky.

Late one afternoon, a random guy walked into the bank where I was working and asked to speak with a commercial lender (note: this is typically not a good sign for a lender – good deals rarely just walk in the door). Being a young lender, I was eager to volunteer to speak with this gentleman. It seemed like an interesting way to end my day and offered the remote possibility of generating some new loan business.

Interestingly enough, the man quickly informed me that he was a real estate investor. Over the next 30 minutes or so, the man walked me through his real estate portfolio, and his need to find a lender who would be willing to refinance the loans on all his properties. In a lot of ways, this meeting was very underwhelming. All of his properties were currently financed by a private lender charging a high rate of interest (over 12%). His 5 properties were just barely squeaking out positive cash flow each month (maybe $50 bucks total each month). The man had a large amount of personal debt that was a strain on his overall financial condition. These were all bad signs to see as a lender, and I knew immediately that there was nothing I could do to assist this gentleman. He thanked me for my time and left.

Immediately, I knew this was a very successful meeting for me.

Why, you might ask? Well, despite all the things working against this particular gentleman’s situation, he had taken one step that would end up giving me just the piece of information I needed to get my real estate investing idea off the ground. His 5 properties consisted of condos in the city where I lived, and all had been acquired for under $50,000 each. This was a market that up until this point I had no idea existed.

I spent countless hours over the next few weeks learning everything I could about 3 to 5 local condo complexes where properties could be acquired for between $35,000 to $75,000.

This was just the market I had been looking for.

The Search for my First Property

After narrowing my target market down to  approximately 3-5 condo complexes and spending hours researching the pros and cons of various locations, I began to set up appointments to go and start viewing particular condo units. By this time, I had narrowed my target complexes from 5 down to 2, primarily due to the location and condition of the complexes, as well as the long term investment potential of the various complexes (as viewed solely by myself). After viewing several different units, and doing quite a bit more research via the internet, books etc., I developed the following list of criteria for my first rental property:

  • First floor unit – based upon my research, I knew that older people would be likely renters within the 2 complexes I was focused on. It was my opinion that a first floor unit would be most attractive to this segment of the market.
  • At least 2 bedrooms – based upon comparing the sale prices of 1 and 2 bedroom units in my target complexes to the rental rates of 1 and 2 bedroom units, I decided that a 2 bedroom unit would provide better returns from a financial standpoint, and likely rent more quickly.
  • Move in condition or close to it – it’s no secret that there is tons of money to be made by purchasing properties in sub par condition, fixing them up, and then renting them out (or selling them immediately). But as a novice investor, I wanted to exclude one variable from my first deal. Not having experience in what it costs to totally remodel a property, I decided that only looking at properties in good condition would make my first investment much cleaner.
  • Priced under market value – if I wasn’t willing to create equity in a property by fixing it up prior to renting it out, I decided that I wanted to be patient enough to locate a property that met my other 3 conditions while still being priced under market value.

I’ll continue the story tomorrow. Be sure to check back tomorrow morning for Part 2…

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30 Responses to “My First Real Estate Investment, Part 1”

  • Yuri says:

    My first (primary residence) became my first rental. I had to become emotionally detached quickly. After that, not making emotional decisions in selecting properties became easier for me. You’re in a great standpoint to view how real estate works from the financing part. I am starting to learn how that works…

    • Bogey says:

      Yuri, it would be my guess that a lot of people get started by renting out a former primary residence. I’d like to hear more about the process you went through in becoming emotionally detached.

      I love to provide more info about the financing side of things. If you have some specific questions either post them here or use the “contact me” form at the top of the page and I’ll integrate the questions into a full post.

      Bogey

      • Y says:

        This was a house where my significant other and I were going to live “forever”. We broke up, she moved out, house full of memories was difficult to let go. I was shattered afterward so I used it as therapy to redo the bathrooms, floors, etc. (like under the tuscan sun). I put in ALOT of sweat equity. Got a dead beat renter that didn’t take care of it (did very little screening cause I was ready to move on); kicked her out after lease was up. Then got lucky and found a good renter and I’ve had great renters after that. It was just hard to see people not take care of “something” I treasured so much. After that, I learned not to become emotionally attached to property. I now see everything as an investment, even the house I live in now.

      • Xandy says:

        Heck yeah bay-bee keep them conmig!

      • Karess says:

        Glad I’ve finally found somehtnig I agree with!

      • Kiona says:

        Your atrilce was excellent and erudite.

  • JT McGee says:

    Is Part II where you go to the courthouse, join a lien auction and bid on one, sit on it for a year and then finally, after no pay from the owner, you use the lien to claim the title to the property worth 5000% the property value?

    I mean, that’s how the guys on TV say it works. :P

    Just kidding, but I’m really interest in part II. Like you, I find real estate to be the most business in the world. Borrow at 5%, rent at cap rates above, use cash flow to cover problems, management, repairs, and slowly build tons of equity over time, in the worst case scenario.

    I guess FINDING the properties that fit this mold is the hardest part because they’re surely not found on the MLS.

    • Jonathan says:

      JT, actually they can be found in the MLS…My wife and I bought a house (in Southern California no less) right off the MLS listings 6 months ago and currently have an offer out on another one. It’s an 11.8 cap by my calculation, though of course taxes and insurance cut into the return. That said, we put in around $30k for down payment and repairs, got our 5% financing on the rest, and are netting $400 per month in positive cash flow after all expenses (and not including $100 per month in principal paydown). This comes out to a 16% return on our investment on the income alone. Also, these properties sold for 2.5-3 times our purchase price just 3 years ago, and are much cheaper than current replacement cost.

      There are certainly other ways to find and buy (and finance) real estate, and I hope this site gets into good discussions of some of those ways. But our way so far has been the tried and true realtor/20% down/bank financed model, and the only thing slowing us down is the amount of time it takes to accrue the capital to buy another one.

      • Bogey says:

        “…and the only thing slowing us down is the amount of time it takes to accrue the capital to buy another one.”

        I agree with you on that point, Jonathan. I am having a hard time keeping myself patient right now, because I am just seeing so many deals that fit the profile of the investments I would like to hold, but at age 26, I have just not had enough time to set aside enough capital to make a move on very may of these deals. At time, I almost find myself daydreaming about another real estate crash in 10 to 15 years – is that wrong of me ;)

        • Jonathan says:

          Haha, I agree that it’s almost frightening how good some of the deals are right now, and I do wonder when (once we get out of current conditions) things will ever be so good for people looking to buy real estate. On the other hand, in 15 years or whenever such crash may occur, hopefully you won’t be in a position of needing to sell anything!

          But do market crashes usually end up coinciding with such low interest rates? I understand that the interest rates we’re experiencing now are a result of government tinkering to try to stimulate the economy, but will they always do that to such a great extent in a real estate downturn?

          • Bogey says:

            My opinion is that such a crash would always be followed by a period of very low interest rates. Our real estate market is so dependant on debt that there really is not another good way to stimulate buying, other than induce buyers with low long term interest rates.

            One thing to do some research on is this – a lot of people in the industry think that the 30 year fixed rate mortgage is about to disappear for good. Hardly any toher countries have this product, and if Fannie and Freddie go away, there won’t be anyone to facilitate the 30 year product any more.

  • Bogey says:

    @ JT

    My new method for finding these problems is using the county records website where I live. I can run a search for certain banks that I know have taken back tons of real estate, and it will bring up a list of properties that they currently own. I usually narrow this down by certain neighborhoods that interest me. It’s been a great (and addictive) tool for me so far.

    Where I live, the tax lien auctions are so well attended that you would pretty much have to overpay for the property to win one of them. Not worth the time to me.

    I typically like to only invest in properties with a 10% cap rate or higher.

  • Jonathan says:

    Regarding Fannie and Freddie going away, I expect that such a move would have some combination of these effects:

    1) real estate interest rates would rise
    2) mortgage terms would shorten
    3) real estate prices would be forced downward
    4) credit for real estate will be harder to obtain
    5) down payments will get larger

    I don’t know if these are good or bad things, though it would seem that they would be generally bad for a real estate investor. We may just see in the not-too-distant future.

    • Bogey says:

      I think those 5 points are very good assumptions. I am not sure if it would be bad for a real estate investor, except for the downward price pressure it might have on properties you already own.

      On the other hand, the pool of renters will increase greatly, as not near as many people will be able to come up with the required down payment to purchase.

      I think it would have an overall positive effect, personally.

  • Like Yuri, our first rental property was our primary residence. I don’t get attached to real estate, unlike my wife, as I see a house as a property or asset. I was easily able to rent the property although not to the person that was first on my list. However, I will say that this young man (21 at the time we rented to him with long hair, OK I was stereotyping) turned out to be one of the best most honest tenants I have ever had. We have since sold the property.

  • JT McGee says:

    I was kidding around on the lien thing. As you mentioned, they are so well attended that you won’t walk away with a bargain, and I’d imagine that most any properties worth having have a mortgage lien, with the lender very much interested in protecting the property from someone else buying the tax lien.

    You guys definitely have a different market than I have. I can’t imagine finding any amazing RE deals here, as the prices simply haven’t dipped to the same degree they have elsewhere. In fact, you’d be hard pressed to buy at less than 10% off the peak. It is only the “luxury” homes that have made a pull back.

    • Bogey says:

      Actually, the market here where I am has held really strong. Prices overall haven’t really dropped (depending on who you talk to). But there is the occasional foreclosure or short sale that offers the opportunity for a good deal.

      The condos that I’m talking about just are not all that popular to buyers, because people here almost always lean more toward a single family residence. But, they are in a great school district and very well located so they are popular and easy to rent. I’d like to own 100 of them (there are 500 units in the complex, it was converted to condos from apartments back in the 1970′s).

  • Bogey says:

    Finance 100 units right now? Absolutely not. I don’t have anywhere near the capacity to make that happen just yet. Perhaps another 10 right now.

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